|
Post by jumpingdead on Feb 3, 2016 23:35:39 GMT
I've been quiet the past week or so. Been working on something. It's not directly related to the hack/fix, but the two go hand in hand when it comes to getting the code to work right. The more I understand about how the system works, the more information I can pull from the innards of the game, the more accurate and feature rich the fix will be. So, working out how to pull this data directly effects the speed and quality of the rest of my work.
The road to getting this data has been arduous, and I don't believe I've ever understated something so much before. Nightmare march? Maybe thats closer to describing what it's taken to find this?
Everyone knows that I posted some details about the odds, finally, a few weeks ago when I released numbers regarding Glenn. I couldn't say exactly, it had to do with me putting in input numbers and seeing the results, and it was a pain. But I knew that somewhere, inside the assembly code and binary and obfuscated numbers there was data... a pattern... something I'd see, and say, oh yes, that means something, and hunt it the fuck down.
Well. I finally, after god knows how many hours of banging my head against it, broke it. I'm sorry Scopely. You worked really hard to keep people out. Seriously - they really did. A week ago I posted here about how I now know for sure that Scopely is intentionally hiding information, and taking active steps to keep it hidden. I was vague, on purpose, because I didn't want to show my hand. After posting my data here today though, the cards are on the table. No reason to play coy and act like I don't know, just to keep them from trying to change things.
The reason I posted what I did is that in the older version, based on data I was able to see, rolls were made on charts/tables, where the "good" stuff was at the top of the list, crap at the bottom. I had thought to make the tool/fix/hack just halve the roll as a basic measure. Basically double your chances of getting good stuff. But then I saw something that made me realize I couldn't do that. SOME lists were reverse ordered. The good stuff was at the bottom, not the top. You wanted to roll a 100 to get the goodies, not a .01 like on the other charts. I mentioned that in some forum posts. Guess Scopely was reading.
In version 2.2 they randomized the lists. Not just in a "we put the good stuff in the middle" sort of way, but in a "every time we roll on this chart, we randomize the order first".
Read that line above again. Then one more time and think about it. Why go through what would have for sure been a few hours of recoding to RANDOMIZE the reward lists every time it's used, if not to combat, well, basically, me? (I'm flattered, I'll admit that). And why? To make figuring out how the rolls work harder. To make it so I look at the list and say "Gee willickers, the 5*'s are all over the place, I'll never know what them thar chances are now! Shucks!"
Pissed me off, it did. Backtracked the hell out of my work. And Scopely? Thank you. Thank you for doing that. Because if you hadn't, I'd have been content to just shorten up the charts to increase odds, and moved onto something else. But because you peed in my Cheerios you made me have to look harder.
So hard I figured it out*.
Oops.
Sorry 'bout that.
Anyway, I'm going to post a few "Know your odds!" posts. I'm also going to work on a tool that, hopefully, I should be able to use to auto-generate some data, and publish it somewhere. Either here, or on a website somewhere. If there are odds that you want to know specifically, ask for it here I'll see what I can do, if it's not too difficult. I'm going to be spending the bulk of my next day or two trying to get the automated tool working. That way I can just vomit data everywhere with little to no post-processing effort.
* Incidentally, I was very wrong on a few points I made in my original odds post. Mostly about methods. The numbers were good. I just made a few incorrect educated guesses about things. I'm sure some at Scopely had a good laugh at my guesses. Haha... he thinks thats how it's done? Hahaha. A sliding curve? Hahahahaa. What a noob!
Well, after this post, my guess the general reaction there will be more along the lines of: "Well.... fuck."
|
|
jtk28
Full Member
Send PM
I have made 187 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined December 2015
I've killed 15 walkers
|
Post by jtk28 on Feb 4, 2016 0:48:07 GMT
Awesome news.
I hate how this game is just about who has the most money. Its not even about luck anymore. If you just want to dump hundreds and hundreds on refills you can win tournaments and get all the good 5* characters.
The more i play this game the more i want to stick up Scopley's ass. THEN reading what you wrote about how scopely is trying to hide things and be dishonest. it just pisses me off even more.
Thanks for all your hardwork. Can't wait for the hack and shove it right up their asses.
|
|
ImNoOne
New Member
Send PM
I have made 12 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined December 2015
I've killed 1 walker
My gender is Male
|
Post by ImNoOne on Feb 4, 2016 1:56:56 GMT
Yes, something this big with all this information is really eye opening! I seriously wanna thank you for all the work you pour into this that isn't just for you, but for the whole community that want to play a solid game without the utter piss that has been limiting it.
Thank you, JD, not because you're closer to releasing your fix (hell, I'm on Android anyhow), not because Scopely suffers, but because you had the player base in mind, and really helped answer the odds question (and will continue doing so) that has been on the minds of the player since the beginning (and Scopely could never do). People's champ right here.
|
|
|
Post by jumpingdead on Feb 4, 2016 2:51:39 GMT
Thank my attention deficient disorder and current fight with depression and anxiety. Not to get all personal, but I've a few drinks in me and your sincere and thoughtfully worded thanks hit me in a soft spot tonight.
I feel a slightly buzzed rant coming on.
If you don't want to read personal info and just went to haxxorz a game to win phat lewtz, stop reading here.
I play games sometimes to escape. Many of us do. Been dealing with some real life shit lately and have dealt with depression and anxiety. Games are an escape for me. I can put my brain in another place for a bit and not be stressed out by stupid shit. So I fall in love with a stupidly simple yet pretty damn complex game that I see being fucked up the ass by some douchebag who is laughing his way to the bank, taking advantage of the players who passionately care about the game that he does not. And I get mad. And I say fuck them - I'm going to break their game. Then I realize, wait, no, I don't want to break it. I want to FIX it. So as yet another way to escape stupid brain chemical reactions, I dive into the code. I get lost for hours in figuring out what the fuck "UXTB R4, [R8, #0xFA]" means. I stare at screen after screen of numbers enough that I know what the internal codes are that identify a character code vs. weapon vs. ingredient is.
Its a puzzle to be solved. I hit dead ends. I spend hours going down a path I think is right only to realize I wasted yet another an entire day under the wrong mindset, pissed off when I realize the thing I spent, quite literally, 16+ hours trying to understand, was only some checksum routine and the thing I needed to know had nothing to do with that (oh how I want to gloat and say what I know - but even buzzed JD knows that will only lead to more work when Scopely changes it, if I say too much).
But then there are times like the last 48-72 hours where the lightbulb lights up and I get it and I shout EUREKA! (Ok, I didn't. Sorta wish I did. Might have been cool) and then I get fired up and dive in and publish data like I did today.
Part of me feels bad for even thinking about charging for any part of the fix. Part of me realizes just how many hours I've "wasted" working on a hack for a game most people have never heard of, and knows there are bills to pay, and people who'd rather throw me $20 then throw $200 at Scopely. And let's be honest - I'm a capitalist and libertarian and I like paying my bills, so I'm surely not going to say no.
I'm pretty sure that last drink I had has fully set in now and I'm jsut rambling at this point. Maybe I'll go make a new account on the scopely forums and get banned after 1 post again. That might be fun. Drunkingdead? Sounds like a good username to me!
My apologies for the nonsense. I promise - I don't code when under the influence. And my SINCEREST thanks for all the support. It means the world to me, truly.
|
|
ImNoOne
New Member
Send PM
I have made 12 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined December 2015
I've killed 1 walker
My gender is Male
|
Post by ImNoOne on Feb 4, 2016 3:17:02 GMT
As someone who doesn't really know where to even start to get into more complex coding things...I can't even begin to understand how difficult it must be for you to get to where you are now. Heck even more than that is your determination to keep going and going ADD or not. I don't see that as a problem, but rather as a passion for problem solving in general, and by seriously (and I mean seriously) taking action against some real messed up stuff...well let's just say a lot of people could learn a lot from you on that front.
Thanks for sharing, man. I personally care more for the people than the product, so I appreciate you opening up about your struggles and such. I was expecting you to rant about the discouragement of some people insulting you by calling you a Scopely employee (your hard work, and you get that response?) and stuff, but kudos to you for taking it lightly, especially since I suspected you might just be trying to act tough to not get all dramatic haha.
Keep it up JD, you for sure got some serious support on this forum from not just me.
|
|
|
Post by jumpingdead on Feb 4, 2016 3:33:04 GMT
Bwahaha. The people claiming I'm a Scopely employee and this being a fake scopely owned site are frigging hilarious. Can you imagine the boss that made that call?
"Ok, Jim, new project. I need you to spend the next few weeks putting together a website and identity as a disgruntled player looking to 'fix' the game. Set up a free forum somewhere, and I authorize you to post this information *hands Jim some paper*. Lanya (I'm buzzed as hell right now, for the life of me I cannot remember the girls name on the scopley forums. Lanya is the only name that comes to mind and I KNOW thats wrong) has set you up a few accounts on our forums. Post some info and she'll promptly delete those accounts before too many people see it. Get to work!"
Jim: "Wait. What? That seems... stupid."
Manager: "No way. It will create buzz! All these fools we're making bank from will get behind this fake identity and get real excited about it!"
Jim: "Why? What purpose does that serve?"
Manager: "PR! Spreading the word! Getting people excited!"
Jim: "We already have great reviews on the app store and google store. We have TV commercials on spike TV, why do we need to waste time on a small subset of already angry players?"
Manager: "You know nothing, Jon Snow. Just do as I say."
Yep. I work for Scoplely. Makes total sense.
|
|
rickityrekt
New Member
Send PM
I have made 12 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined January 2016
I've killed 2 walkers
My gender is Male
|
Post by rickityrekt on Feb 4, 2016 5:32:27 GMT
lol, well if it's true you're the best employee they've got for sure. ha
|
|
jtk28
Full Member
Send PM
I have made 187 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined December 2015
I've killed 15 walkers
|
Post by jtk28 on Feb 4, 2016 5:56:11 GMT
Thank my attention deficient disorder and current fight with depression and anxiety. Not to get all personal, but I've a few drinks in me and your sincere and thoughtfully worded thanks hit me in a soft spot tonight. I feel a slightly buzzed rant coming on. If you don't want to read personal info and just went to haxxorz a game to win phat lewtz, stop reading here. I play games sometimes to escape. Many of us do. Been dealing with some real life shit lately and have dealt with depression and anxiety. Games are an escape for me. I can put my brain in another place for a bit and not be stressed out by stupid shit. So I fall in love with a stupidly simple yet pretty damn complex game that I see being fucked up the ass by some douchebag who is laughing his way to the bank, taking advantage of the players who passionately care about the game that he does not. And I get mad. And I say fuck them - I'm going to break their game. Then I realize, wait, no, I don't want to break it. I want to FIX it. So as yet another way to escape stupid brain chemical reactions, I dive into the code. I get lost for hours in figuring out what the fuck "UXTB R4, [R8, #0xFA]" means. I stare at screen after screen of numbers enough that I know what the internal codes are that identify a character code vs. weapon vs. ingredient is. Its a puzzle to be solved. I hit dead ends. I spend hours going down a path I think is right only to realize I wasted yet another an entire day under the wrong mindset, pissed off when I realize the thing I spent, quite literally, 16+ hours trying to understand, was only some checksum routine and the thing I needed to know had nothing to do with that (oh how I want to gloat and say what I know - but even buzzed JD knows that will only lead to more work when Scopely changes it, if I say too much). But then there are times like the last 48-72 hours where the lightbulb lights up and I get it and I shout EUREKA! (Ok, I didn't. Sorta wish I did. Might have been cool) and then I get fired up and dive in and publish data like I did today. Part of me feels bad for even thinking about charging for any part of the fix. Part of me realizes just how many hours I've "wasted" working on a hack for a game most people have never heard of, and knows there are bills to pay, and people who'd rather throw me $20 then throw $200 at Scopely. And let's be honest - I'm a capitalist and libertarian and I like paying my bills, so I'm surely not going to say no. I'm pretty sure that last drink I had has fully set in now and I'm jsut rambling at this point. Maybe I'll go make a new account on the scopely forums and get banned after 1 post again. That might be fun. Drunkingdead? Sounds like a good username to me! My apologies for the nonsense. I promise - I don't code when under the influence. And my SINCEREST thanks for all the support. It means the world to me, truly. Hang in there man. I don't know what you're going through but getting depressed or down about life is normal. I know it sounds cliche, but its true. Its how we fight through that shit that defines us. Some days are definitely harder than others to stay positive or even try to roll out of bed. Take the good days when they come and deal with the bad ones the best you can. I hope you're feeling better. If you need someone to talk to about anything, hit me up. It gets better.... Not just saying that. I know from experience.
|
|
|
Post by ;) pliz , ty? on Feb 5, 2016 0:09:17 GMT
Can u do the set bags Like right now the all _ out _ war thing
|
|
|
Post by jumpingdead on Feb 5, 2016 0:14:32 GMT
Good call. I'll post it in the new subforum in a few minutes,
|
|
|
Post by cashmoneyv1 on Feb 6, 2016 5:24:17 GMT
dude can you hack this game? this deserves a good hacking to regain all the money we lost, like family guy and tinyco when cool homer and stile hacked it youll be a GOD homie
|
|
|
Post by cashmoneyv1 on Feb 6, 2016 6:36:35 GMT
plus make an android for bluestacks apk, id pay fott that
|
|
beastmode619
New Member
Send PM
I have made 5 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined February 2016
My gender is Male
|
Post by beastmode619 on Feb 9, 2016 17:29:12 GMT
I wanted to say thx for letting us in. This helps us understand not only you but why you are doing the countless hours of work to be able to assist the many. Not only the many but the many like you. Most of us turn to games to escape such as your self. If you do create a hack I think it's only fair you get compensated. It's your hard work and you are helping us. I am glad you are able to take your battles and struggles and gear them towards something profound, helpful, valuable, and needed. Keep up the great work and your talent for codeing, breaking code, and understanding is beyond impressive
|
|
beastmode619
New Member
Send PM
I have made 5 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined February 2016
My gender is Male
|
Post by beastmode619 on Feb 9, 2016 17:30:23 GMT
I do have one question. If you do create a program/hac to better chances where could we find it and how would we know?
|
|
wilfordbrimley
New Member
Send PM
I have made 3 posts
Right now I'm Dead
I joined February 2016
My gender is Male
|
Post by wilfordbrimley on Feb 9, 2016 21:08:02 GMT
I just stumbled onto this forum and I have to say that it is very eye-opening. After spending quite a bit of money and hearing the tales of woe from the people in my faction it became clearer how bad the odds were at getting Epic characters, but to see the numbers it's even worse than I imagined. I applaud you JD for all of your time and hard work. You're a modern day Robin Hood!!
|
|